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Stay or leave
Stay 36%  36%  [ 18 ]
Leave 52%  52%  [ 26 ]
Undecided 12%  12%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 50
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 Post subject: EU Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:50 pm 
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What's you opinions on brexit? Stay or leave?
Most forums that I have seen polls on are swinging towards leave.
Not sure if this will be the case on the day as I'm sure the last referendum for an independent Scotland was the same.

Is it possible to start a poll? Maybe with stay, leave or undecided?

What's your views?


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:03 pm 
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Poll added. :rthumb:


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Thanks for the poll.

I've come across this which gives a good argument for leave.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking ... e-with-us/


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:57 pm 
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The poll is missing the "(naughty swear) if I know" option. That's where I sit.

So, being a mod, I added it.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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xs2man wrote:
The poll is missing the "(naughty swear) if I know" option. That's where I sit.

So, being a mod, I added it.


:rthumb: Should really have thought about that because that's the camp I'm currently in!


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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To be fair, when I edited the poll, the one vote that was cast is now gone, so whoever that was, should re-vote.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Another (naughty swear) if I know here.

I've thought about it, read about it, and watched debates about it and can still see valid reasons for each. I'm honestly so undecided that the way it stands just now, I'm not even going to vote.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Leave all day.
We signed a trade deal that is now dissolving countries sovereignty, wanting an army and worst of all we have no input towards the decisions made.

And wee Jimmy Crankie wants an independent Scotland, but in the EU. So independent of nothing.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Another (naughty swear) if I know here.

I've thought about it, read about it, and watched debates about it and can still see valid reasons for each. I'm honestly so undecided that the way it stands just now, I'm not even going to vote.


Me too. Just no idea. Except I'm not gonna not vote. I'll probably just decide on the way to voting.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Leave all day.
We signed a trade deal that is now dissolving countries sovereignty, wanting an army and worst of all we have no input towards the decisions made.

And wee Jimmy Crankie wants an independent Scotland, but in the EU. So independent of nothing.


Yeah, I agree with that wee id 10 t not having a clue about what she wants for Scotland. Funny how all the arguments FOR Scottish independence are now used AGAINST her wishes.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU and I believe from what I had read export more than we do. They are also two of the richest countries in Europe. I'm not sure if we would get to that level after leaving but think if we hadn't of joined in the first place we would be in a far better position than now.


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Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU and I believe from what I had read export more than we do. They are also two of the richest countries in Europe. I'm not sure if we would get to that level after leaving but think if we hadn't of joined in the first place we would be in a far better position than now.


Couldn't agree more.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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I've no idea either! Can't be arsed listening to all the gimp for or against! Sorry but I'll not vote :v:

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:52 pm 
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If I could be bothered to go vote I would say leave :rthumb:


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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to me ....if turkey becomes part of europe ( which they have frozen talks on at the moment until the vote happens funnily enough!! ) means europe will then have a 500 plus mile border with syria!!! good enough reson for me to be a leaver !!!!

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Not entirely convinced Turkey will become a fully fledged member of the EU. Not for a LOOONG time. But, in repayment for their help with the migrant crisis, visa free travel for Turks is on the cards. That is relatively scary considering all their borders.

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I'm swayed towards out myself, prefer to be able to vote for the silly ladies undercarriage in the UK than not be able to vote for the failed politicians making up the rules!


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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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its a leave vote for me

better be ruled by our own muppets than the eu ones

for what the uk pay into the eu fund to what we get back we would be better off and be able to make our own rules

also if you dont vote its an automatic vote for the remain side

so all the undecided and not bothered voters are voting remain anyway

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Really feel for the undecided voters, I've been watching the stupid school boy debates and other sugar. There's nothing conclusive from either side for you to make up your mind.

There's a really good BBC program paxman has done explaining the EU and it's inner workings. It explains about the European committee making the rules, then our elected mep's are allowed to amend, then back to the committee, they can change them back if they wish and make into legislation.

Brexit the movie is one sided but does bring up a few good points.

Do your own research, don't believe what the politicians who's retirement funds depend on the European Union say.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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also if you dont vote its an automatic vote for the remain side

so all the undecided and not bothered voters are voting remain anyway


That's just simply not true.

The polls are closer than ever, some with leave ahead. This vote really could go any way, and as such, to not vote isn't an auto vote to remain, it could be an auto vote to leave too if the leave voters are more mobilised than the remain voters.

Still have doubts about what way I'll vote. I suspect if I do leave it to the last minute to decide it will be a remain though. I don't really want to be paying more taxes.

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The way I see it, We're at the mercy of the Tories if we leave......and we're at the mercy of the EU if we stay........so we're buggered either way but at least if we stay, we will still be protected by the Human Rights Act which the Tories are looking to abolish and replace with the 'British Bill of Rights' which could end up screwing us up even more than we are now.

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But we can throw the tories out in time, if not right after the decision.
We have no influence over the unelected at the top of the overpayed unrestricted club.

As they try to westernise more countries there will be less money coming back to us but more demanded from us. It's crazy how few countries actually pay in more than they recieve.

Fed up hearing how we wouldn't work with Europe if we leave too, remember we are one of the main contributers to intelligence. Its not like the European council will suddenly dissapear. We are part of the continent of Europe but why do we have such a strange agreement related to trade. Show me another.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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At the end of the day we wont be leaving the EU. It's like a prison, they just don't let you leave because you want to. For that reason I wont bother with the futility of voting.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Referendum
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I'm also very skeptical, but we have to try.

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Even if we do vote 'Leave' doesn't mean we will.

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